Please clarify the rules for third endings

[ark]

Aha! I see the problem. If a bar has "D.S. al 3rd end" but ends with a single rather than a double barline, the instruction seems to be ignored during playback.

So there's something magic about double barlines. Can you explain the rules for how the player treats barlines? Also, it seems to me that it is possible for two bars to be separated by two barlines, which you would do by putting one after the first bar and another before the second. That seems weird for me, and I would think there is no reason ever to do it; but perhaps you could tell me if that ability is intended to be useful and, if so, what its effect is?

[massimobio]

Aha! I see the problem. If a bar has "D.S. al 3rd end" but ends with a single rather than a double barline, the instruction seems to be ignored during playback.

So there's something magic about double barlines. Can you explain the rules for how the player treats barlines? Also, it seems to me that it is possible for two bars to be separated by two barlines, which you would do by putting one after the first bar and another before the second. That seems weird for me, and I would think there is no reason ever to do it; but perhaps you could tell me if that ability is intended to be useful and, if so, what its effect is?

Yes you need a double bar for a rehearsal instruction to work.
This makes sense as you not would jump D.C. from the middle of a section (the rest of that section would then never be played)

You have left bar lines and right bar lines.
You can use whichever you like.
If you are at the end of a system you need the right and if you are at the beginning you use the left.

[ark]

Aha! -- so a double bar actually has semantics beyond its looks.

Are there other semantic rules associated with it? Also, are there semantic rules associated with rehearsal letters? If so, do different letters carry different rules?

[dflat]

...Also, it seems to me that it is possible for two bars to be separated by two barlines, which you would do by putting one after the first bar and another before the second. That seems weird for me, and I would think there is no reason ever to do it; but perhaps you could tell me if that ability is intended to be useful and, if so, what its effect is?

Putting two single barlines on top of each other should have no real effect other than being slightly messy if you notice it. I try to delete a single barline when I need a double, or repeat (or final) there. Either the left beat or the right beat on each side of the barline can be used to create the barline needed.

[ericvv]

I am having trouble doing something that should be simple. The tune has an A. section with 1st and 2nd ending, then a bridge. After the bridge I want to repeat the A. section with a 3rd. ending. Then repeat everything. I could possibly live with using the 2nd ending on that last chorus. I don't want to have to write out the whole A. section with the 2nd ending included. Is there a good way to do this, maybe using DC or DS's?

[pdxdjazz]

I am having trouble doing something that should be simple. The tune has an A. section with 1st and 2nd ending, then a bridge. After the bridge I want to repeat the A. section with a 3rd. ending. Then repeat everything. I could possibly live with using the 2nd ending on that last chorus. I don't want to have to write out the whole A. section with the 2nd ending included. Is there a good way to do this, maybe using DC or DS's?

For help with a chart, ALWAYS post it (in iRp format) with your question so it can be opened in the editor.
That said, see if this helps:
Albatros, The - Wayne Shorter

)BOB

[Keith88]

Hi Eric,

Here is a chord chart for "The Nearness of You" that has the structure you describe: AA'BA''. It plays the two A sections with first and second endings, continues to the bridge and returns to the opening measures of the A section going to a third ending. On the last time through the form, it goes to a coda instead of the turn-around at the end of the tune.

The rules are pretty simple: put a repeat sign at the end of the first and second endings and a double bar at the end of the third ending. You don't need a repeat sign at the beginning of the chart. However, if there is an introduction that is not part of the form, then a repeat sign at the beginning of the form is necessary.

I hope this gives you a good example.

Nearness Of You (demo), The - Hoagy Carmichael

[ericvv]

Hi Eric,

Here is a chord chart for "The Nearness of You" that has the structure you describe: AA'BA''. It plays the two A sections with first and second endings, continues to the bridge and returns to the opening measures of the A section going to a third ending. On the last time through the form, it goes to a coda instead of the turn-around at the end of the tune.

The rules are pretty simple: put a repeat sign at the end of the first and second endings and a double bar at the end of the third ending. You don't need a repeat sign at the beginning of the chart. However, if there is an introduction that is not part of the form, then a repeat sign at the beginning of the form is necessary.

I hope this gives you a good example.

Nearness Of You (demo), The - Hoagy Carmichael

Keith:
That did it just fine. I guess I forgot my meds the day that I tried it! Thanks for the help.

Eric

[Keith88]

You're welcome, Eric. Here is a simple demo of multiple endings with an intro:

Multiple Endings with intro - demo